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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2010, 11:37:25 AM »

For those of us unfamiliar with the routes and airports being discussed, at least in aviation-speak, it would sure save a lot of thumbing through sectionals and/or airnav.com time if people would use the name of the airports (like the last quoted reference to fuel stops) in addition to or instead of just the identifier.

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If you cut-and-paste the identifiers in the post into the flight plan box on www.skyvector.com, it will map the course out for you. Nothing to look up and it's overlaid on a sectional chart.

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« Reply #16 on: February 16, 2010, 11:46:01 AM »

It's easy to visualize the route with the identifiers. For example, visit runwayfinder.com and paste the IDs into the box at the top of the screen (separate IDs with semicolons). The route will appear on the map, and you can zoom in and right-click icons to get complete information on each airport or other waypoint along the way.

A similar process works at Skyvector.com (click the Flight Plan button and copy the IDs, separated by spaces into the box). Again, you can see the route on either a VFR or IFR chart, and A/FD info for each waypoint is just a click away.

Similar deal at NavMonster.

Using official IDs avoids confusion with airport names and can be much more efficient when you want to get detailed information from a variety of sources.
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« Reply #17 on: February 16, 2010, 11:53:36 AM »

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1.  The shortest is KVUO - KBNO - KEKO - KELY - BERYL - ZERLO - KFFZ (914 NM). ...
2.  The route I use most often is KVUO - KRDM - KLKV - FMG - OAL - BTY - KHII - BXK - A39 - FFZ (971 NM). ..
3...., there is a longer way through Idaho and Utah via KBOI - KBYI - KPVU - KCDC - ZERLO - KFFZ (1,031 NM).
4. ...close to civilization and many airports.  KMFR - 1O6 - KRBL - KPVF - EHF - PMD - LUCER - L22 - BLH - BXK - A39 - KFFZ (1,085 NM). ...

Convenient fuel stops include Red Bluff (KRBL), Placerville (KPVF), Visalia (KVIS) and Lancaster-Fox (KWJF). 

  I'm not the one planning this trip, but I like to live vicariously through others  Cheesy  so was trying to follow the thread. I gave up when the whole route was given via airport identifers-- it's just not worth the ten minutes or so it'd take to look them all up.
  For those of us unfamiliar with the routes and airports being discussed, at least in aviation-speak, it would sure save a lot of thumbing through sectionals and/or airnav.com time if people would use the name of the airports (like the last quoted reference to fuel stops) in addition to or instead of just the identifier.

Eric ( lost between FYI & WTF )
 
 

The easy way to see this routing is to highlight and copy the route you want to see.  Then go to http://skyvector.com, select flight plan and past the route into the box.  The route will be shown.
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« Reply #18 on: February 16, 2010, 01:27:44 PM »

Here's a basic route via the east side of the mountains that I've often used between KBFI and the Las Vegas, Tucson, and Phoenix areas:

KBFI DUANE VAMPS BEEZR YKM LTJ DSD URBIA LKV KLKV FMG RYANN O43 YERIN OAL BTY HIDEN 0L7 IGM DRK VPRVC BELLY WARTY KIWA

Good fuel stops include: KBDN, KLKV, O43 0L7 KBVU KIGM

Weather permitting, you can, of course, straighten out some of the doglegs. I typically file and fly mostly airways and take shortcuts when able, either VFR or VFR on top.

As others have noted, the route through California offers more places to stop, but the weather can be more challenging this time of year, and, of course, it's longer. Here's a typical flight plan via that route:

KBFI SEA OLM UBG EUG OED FJS RBL KOVE HNW HEKGO FRA TTE AMONT WIJYI PMD HEC DRK RADOM ZERLO KIWA

Good fuel stops include:

KCVO KRBL KOVE KVIS KWJF



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« Reply #19 on: February 16, 2010, 06:31:35 PM »

Eric.  I punch the identifiers into Fltplan.com.    not only gives the names but the distances & more.  quick way to see how long my plane would take to make the trip. Dave
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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2010, 12:16:01 AM »

Any of you fellow pilots ever flown from SEA area to Mesa, AZ? Falcon Field is my destination. Suggestions are welcome as I am planning a flight there in about a month. From Airnav.com Shows all the details of the airports. Plus you can pick between shortest, cheapest, frugal etc.
Here are the 10 cheapest routes with 3 refueling stops
    ROUTE               DISTANCE (in nm) LONGEST LEG      SAVINGS ($)
    ------------------- ---------------- ---------------  -----------
    SEA-S40-GNG-U52-FFZ  1006  [+4%]     297 (GNG-U52)        33.61
    SEA-HRI-GNG-U52-FFZ  1006  [+4%]     297 (GNG-U52)        21.88
    SEA-PSC-GNG-U52-FFZ  1009  [+4%]     297 (GNG-U52)        21.32
    SEA-RLD-GNG-U52-FFZ  1009  [+4%]     297 (GNG-U52)        20.35
    SEA-ALW-GNG-U52-FFZ  1014  [+5%]     297 (GNG-U52)        15.56
    SEA-S95-GNG-U52-FFZ  1012  [+5%]     297 (GNG-U52)        15.23
    SEA-HRI-JER-U52-FFZ  1008  [+4%]     290 (U52-FFZ)        14.53
    SEA-S70-GNG-U52-FFZ  1021  [+6%]     297 (GNG-U52)        14.40
    SEA-PSC-JER-U52-FFZ  1012  [+5%]     291 (PSC-JER)        14.01
    SEA-RLD-JER-U52-FFZ  1011  [+5%]     298 (RLD-JER)        12.87

Savings are based only on the fuel costs, according to the parameters you provided, and are relative to the average cost of flying along shortest path making 3 stops.  The average fuel price in your flight area is $4.52/gallon.

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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2010, 11:01:24 AM »

.... it would sure save a lot of thumbing through sectionals and/or airnav.com time if people would use the name of the airports (like the last quoted reference to fuel stops) in addition to or instead of just the identifier.     

  I'm sticking with my statement -- with dial-up internet, having to do all that cutting pasting entering scrolling etc that people suggested is a nuisance. But if you don't wanna put down the names, that's fine-- have a good trip anyway.

Eric ( proud to be speaking in english )
 
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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2010, 02:56:39 PM »

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Here are the 10 cheapest routes with 3 refueling stops
    ROUTE               DISTANCE (in nm) LONGEST LEG      SAVINGS ($)
    ------------------- ---------------- ---------------  -----------
    SEA-S40-GNG-U52-FFZ  1006  [+4%]     297 (GNG-U52)        33.61
    SEA-HRI-JER-U52-FFZ  1008  [+4%]     290 (U52-FFZ)        14.53

Those legs between GNG (Gooding ID) or JER (Jerome ID) and U52 (Beaver UT) will have issues with restricted areas -- surface to 58,000'.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2010, 04:14:21 PM »

.... it would sure save a lot of thumbing through sectionals and/or airnav.com time if people would use the name of the airports (like the last quoted reference to fuel stops) in addition to or instead of just the identifier.     

  I'm sticking with my statement -- with dial-up internet, having to do all that cutting pasting entering scrolling etc that people suggested is a nuisance. But if you don't wanna put down the names, that's fine-- have a good trip anyway.

Eric ( proud to be speaking in english )
 

You still have dial-up? Don't tell me you still have to hand crank your phone too!  Shocked
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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2010, 06:00:34 PM »

Thanks for all the help.....Just proof we are all brothers (and sister) in flight. LeeB and I will be appreciating your help in the sunny Arizona sky in about a month!!
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2010, 08:24:17 PM »

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You still have dial-up? Don't tell me you still have to hand crank your phone too!      

  Nah, upgraded to the new-fangled steam-powered model recently. Anything more modern than that isn't available at my cave.
(don't blame me, blame the provider)

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« Reply #26 on: February 22, 2010, 09:13:07 AM »

Eric;
Go to skyvector.com.  enter in the identifiers with a comma between and the site will draw a line from airport to airport - very nice visual.

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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2010, 11:25:09 AM »

  Having to do that reminds me of trying to talk with a bunch of eggheads and having to look up every third or fourth word in the dictionary in order to follow the conversation-- too much trouble.
  I can see why non-aviator spouses get riled up when "pilotspeak" is used instead of plain english: shoot the ILS, fly to the VOR, listening for an ELT, etc.

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« Reply #28 on: February 23, 2010, 03:09:51 PM »

I delivered my Arrow from Olympia to Flagstaff a couple years back and took the Oly to Yakima to Pendleton to Boise then down the the Utah/Nevada line to St. George before going over the canyon and then turning east. What a trip! Incredible scenery and views. Took about 10 hours as I recall.
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