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Rodney

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High Performance Complex Endorsement
« on: May 24, 2016, 09:28:00 PM »
Does anyone know of a CFI giving High Performance - Complex Endorsement in Bonanza, Bellanca, 206 RG type aircraft in the Puget Sound?  I see a lot of FBOs with Arrows which are complex but not HP. 

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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2016, 09:46:51 AM »
I know BEFA has a C182RG, but you've gotta be a member to fly it...

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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2016, 10:52:11 AM »
You could always get a hi-perf sign-off in a 182, then a complex sign-off in an Arrow.

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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2016, 11:22:42 AM »
If you do decide to do them separately, there's some places with RG Cessnas instead of Arrows. Snohomish has a 182P and 177RG and Pavco at TIW has a 182 and a 172RG.

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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2016, 03:19:00 PM »
Yes might have to do it separate.  If only the Arrow had 1 more Horse Power. 
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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2016, 05:34:04 PM »
Yes might have to do it separate.  If only the Arrow had 1 more Horse Power.

Some do..with STC'd carbs and exhaust they're putting out 215+ horsepower.  Unfortunately, the FAA has stuck with POH rated horsepower, which is for the PA-28R-201, 200 hp.

Basing the definition of "high performance" off of rated hp is a sham.  A 230 hp Cessna 182 is "high performance" but a Van's RV-8 with a 200 hp fuel-injected engine isn't?  I've flown both...no comparison.

Maybe rated cruise and stall speeds might be more appropriate.  Then there's the whole twin issue.  Two 200 hp engines don't equal high performance...
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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2016, 06:27:38 PM »
Funny how definitions are set and/or changed.  Retract gear isn't necessarily required for complex time-- FAR 61.31 (e) says a seaplane with flaps and a controllable prop qualifies. FAR 61.31(f) definitely calls out "more than 200 horsepower" for a high-performance airplane. Maybe go get a checkout in a C180 on straight floats? That way, you'd end up with a float rating too.

My favorite uncle (now deceased) told me of getting his complex signoff in a Stinson 108 with a Beech-Roby (?) controllable prop. He never mentioned it being a seaplane, although he also had a seaplane rating, so maybe back in the day (late 1940's) just the flaps & prop were enough even for a land plane. Not nearly as many retracts back then compared to nowadays..

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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2016, 09:07:33 PM »
Meeting applicable FAR's and meeting the needs of an insurance company are often quite different.
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Re: High Performance Complex Endorsement
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 07:12:15 AM »
Besides the proper rating / endorsement, insurance companies  often require minimum times:
for example, for a C180, they might not only require a high-performance signoff but also XX amount of tailwheel time and XX amount of time in make/model.