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Lee D

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KSEA VFR Transition
« on: September 29, 2016, 09:23:32 PM »
I heard recently that the VFR transitions (Mariner and Seahawk) over KSEA have been suspended.  At least that's what I thought I heard.  I'm not sure exactly what suspended means (permanent or temporary), but it didn't sound good.

Anyone know anything about this that they can share?

I didn't see any NOTAMs on this.  My understanding is that you discover you can't fly the VFR transition when you ask and are told no.   That sounds a little late in the flight planning process. 

 I haven't tried this myself since they've been suspended.

I'm kind of bummed.  Flying over KSEA was part of my "Seattle sightseeing tour".
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 07:53:20 AM »
Unfortunately it has been this way for a few months while they "review" procedures. 

No Notam necessary (although that would be considerate) because you need a specific Bravo clearance to enter.  They've always had the option to deny and have so in the past.

A non- communication VFR corridor would be nice, but I'll just hope they bring back the transition.

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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 10:12:56 PM »
I'm pretty sure you can just ask for and receive a regular old non-named transition whenever you like.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 10:19:43 PM »
I'm pretty sure you can just ask for and receive a regular old non-named transition whenever you like.

Those transitions are being denied and have been for a couple of months.  Gone until further notice.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2016, 05:36:37 PM »
Any update on this?  I checked the latest notams for SEA (including the published notams) and looked at the latest charts but still didn't see any mention of this no longer being permitted.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2016, 07:12:44 PM »
I've seen a couple of posts on FATPNW facebook group that said they had gotten cleared for VFR  transition.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2017, 12:26:53 AM »
Anyone know if the VFR  Transitions (Mariner, Seahawk) as per indicated on the Charts still being approved?
Last time I was up that way and I wanted to go from PWT to RNT. and I made the mistake of getting an IFR clearance.
as I thought it would be easier and simpler to let approach do all the driving and that they would simply vector me over Seatac ...big mistake...it was good VFR weather and
they seemed a little annoyed that I was bothering them...vectored me all over the Puget Sound and way out around the end of the KSEA approach corridor
a trip that could have been < 15 min VFR , even without the Transition by ducking under the Rings was over an hour.   

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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2017, 07:03:51 AM »
At the Pacific Northwest Aviation Conference and Trade Show, Seattle TRACON folks were saying that most transitions weren't being approved due to conflicts with BFI southbound departures in South flow, or BFI arrivals in general in North flow.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2017, 09:03:46 AM »
I thought those VFR transition altitudes & routings were designed to avoid conflict- that's why crossing at one end of Seatac when flow is south & the other end when flow is north.

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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 07:49:26 AM »
As far as I know, the runways at BFI and SEA have not moved from a couple of years ago. What is precipitating this change in policy?
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 04:18:48 PM »
From what I understand, too many people doing the transitions were failing to adhere to the altitudes close enough and airlines were getting cockpit traffic alerts that they are legally required to obey. When airlines complain about ATC at an airport, ATC listens.

I asked for (and got) a transition in either Jan or Feb, so they are allowing it sometimes.

I've been vectored IFR directly over SeaTac at 4,000', but I've also been vectored way far North sometimes.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2017, 04:13:56 PM »
I was granted a west to east VFR transition over 34 center yesterday afternoon.  I did my usual call over Vashon and immediately got the squawk code for the transition.  Normally they would ask to cross over the runway numbers at 1500' but yesterday the controller wanted me to cross at 2500' instead.  I suppose that how they're preventing the separation problem now.
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2017, 06:32:39 PM »
Makes sense, now that the BFI departure has a hard altitude restriction of @2000ft over DUANE
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Re: KSEA VFR Transition
« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2017, 04:33:31 PM »
For what its worth, I have flown the Mariner transition (when they were landing 34) to & from Auburn, without hassle, I think they had me fly them at 2000'.  There was quite a bit of traffic landing @ Seatac.

The procedure posted on the Seattle TAC shows a 1500'-2500' range.
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