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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by groupw on December 13, 2017, 09:07:50 PM »
His name wasn't Officer Obie was it? When I tangled with him, he took twenty seven eight-by-ten color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was to be used as evidence against us. Took pictures of the approach, the getaway, the northwest corner, the southwest corner, and that's not to mention the aerial photography. . .

And that was just for littering!

Roy (Group W)
 
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Renton: Renton Municipal Airport (KRNT) / runway incursion at Renton?
« Last post by hotrod180 on December 13, 2017, 06:24:05 PM »
A friend of mine was flying by Renton yesterday Dec 12, when he heard the tower controller telling aircraft to stay off the runway and/or go around.
Sounded like they had some sort of runway incursion by a pedestrian, possibly scattering stuff on the runway.
Anyone know anything about this?
I googled it but nothing on the internet about it.
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by hotrod180 on December 13, 2017, 06:20:52 PM »
Years ago, we had a Bonanza "abandoned" on the runway at 0S9 after a gear-up landing.
A sheriff's deputy passing by on the highway spotted it and drove onto the airport to check it out.
Turned out the owner / pilot was at his hangar rounding up some equipment & help to get it up on the wheels and off the runway.
The cop was wrapping it in crime scene tape when several of us showed up with a forklift.
He was pretty sure some law or another was being broken, after some heated discussion he had decided to
"impound" it when finally the owner called the local FAA inspector who told him to get it off the runway.
When the cop was told this, he didn't apologize- in fact, he didn't even say a word,
just got into his patrol car & drove off.
FWIW he was fired a year or two later, basically for being an overbearing jerk.

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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by JRo on December 13, 2017, 02:27:56 PM »

Any chance you could provide a link?  I did some (crappy?) google searches and came up with this link, but am too blind to see which link to click on.

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/
Click the link in the second paragraph ("Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing (ASIAS) System Preliminary Accident and Incident Reports page") and select the December 8th listing.

Ron Wanttaja

Thanks.... interesting stuff.  I found this one particularly interesting.

Description:   AIRCRAFT FOUND IN RUNWAY SAFETY AREA WITH POSSIBLE PROP STRIKE, BREMERTON, WA


Somebody left it there to be 'found'?

IDENTIFICATION
Date:   07-DEC-17
Time:   23:00:00Z
Regis#:   N99BV
Aircraft Make:   EXPERIMENTAL
Aircraft Model:   VANS RV4
Event Type:   INCIDENT
Highest Injury:   UNKNOWN
Aircraft Missing:   No
Damage:   MINOR
LOCATION
City:   BREMERTON
State:   WASHINGTON
Country:   UNITED STATES
DESCRIPTION
Description:   AIRCRAFT FOUND IN RUNWAY SAFETY AREA WITH POSSIBLE PROP STRIKE, BREMERTON, WA
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by rwanttaja on December 13, 2017, 12:36:42 PM »
Maybe he was working on a float rating? (yuck yuck)

Seriously though, I just googled a sat image of Auburn airport-
no readily apparent pond off the end of the runway.
Probably just a pond during the wet season?
I do see what might be a couple below-grade areas off either side of the grass over-run at the north end.

http://satelliteviews.net/cgi-bin/g.cgi?fid=1533672&state=WA&ftype=airport

Yes, those are catch basins for excess water.  If you look at the Goggle Earth view (which is dry) you can also see some drainage.

The ponds have nets over them to try keep out waterfowl.

Ron Wanttaja
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by rwanttaja on December 13, 2017, 12:34:21 PM »

Any chance you could provide a link?  I did some (crappy?) google searches and came up with this link, but am too blind to see which link to click on.

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/
Click the link in the second paragraph ("Aviation Safety Information Analysis and Sharing (ASIAS) System Preliminary Accident and Incident Reports page") and select the December 8th listing.

IDENTIFICATION
Date:    08-DEC-17
Time:    00:00:00Z
Regis#:    N2351U
Aircraft Make:    CESSNA
Aircraft Model:    172D
Event Type:    ACCIDENT
Highest Injury:    NONE
Aircraft Missing:    No
Damage:    SUBSTANTIAL
LOCATION
City:    AUBURN
State:    WASHINGTON
Country:    UNITED STATES
DESCRIPTION
Description:    AIRCRAFT LANDED IN POND OFF RUNWAY, SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, AUBURN, WA
Activity:    UNKNOWN
Flight Phase:    LANDING (LDG)
Operation:    
Aircraft Operator:    
Flight Number:    
FAA FSDO:    SEATTLE FSDO
Entry Date:    08-DEC-17
Updated since entry:    No

Ron Wanttaja
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by JRo on December 13, 2017, 10:14:21 AM »
Seriously though, I just googled a sat image of Auburn airport-
no readily apparent pond off the end of the runway.
Probably just a pond during the wet season?
I do see what might be a couple below-grade areas off either side of the grass over-run at the north end.

Perhaps I overstated 'pond', but those areas on the NW side have a bit of water in them now.
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by JRo on December 13, 2017, 09:53:32 AM »
FAA Accident/Incident web page says Cessna 172D, N2351U, one  aboard, no injuries.   Aircraft registered to an LLC on Mercer Island.

Ron Wanttaja

Any chance you could provide a link?  I did some (crappy?) google searches and came up with this link, but am too blind to see which link to click on.

https://www.faa.gov/data_research/accident_incident/preliminary_data/
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Thanks Ken, that is the only document I could find as well, but troubling that nothing is on the King County website anymore and there doesn't seem to be clear information out there. 

"Clear information" ? Are you serious?
This is aviation, after all.

Last summer, I looked online for information about transient parking at Renton.
Nope, nothing. I ended up having to call the airport office.
More recently, I tried to find online info re transient parking at Hillsboro. Same deal.

Another example-- try going into your standard podunk airport FBO,
asking about flight instruction or a check-out in their rental airplane.
Typical response: "Huh?" "We're too busy." "Our instructor's not here." "Airplane's broke down."

There are exceptions-- Ranier Flight Sevice would seem to be one good example of how it should be done.
But for every place like that, I'd bet there's two in the "huh?" category.
With the sorry (and declining) state of general aviation,
IMHO everyone in the GA business should be on their A game with regards to customer service.
But that doesn't deem to be the case.
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Chit-chat / Re: Incident @ Auburn Last Week
« Last post by hotrod180 on December 13, 2017, 09:34:21 AM »
Maybe he was working on a float rating? (yuck yuck)

Seriously though, I just googled a sat image of Auburn airport-
no readily apparent pond off the end of the runway.
Probably just a pond during the wet season?
I do see what might be a couple below-grade areas off either side of the grass over-run at the north end.

http://satelliteviews.net/cgi-bin/g.cgi?fid=1533672&state=WA&ftype=airport
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